Chat transcript from TCHS SRM 63: Spotlight Session with tomek
Handle	Comment
tomek	Welcome everybody
timur_kz	HELLO
Igorp_ktl2	hi tomek
ahm.kam_92	tomek: what is your full name ?
Gando19850304	tomek: Hi
cjoakes22	Hello everyone. Thank you for joining the chat.
vaibhav_arora	hello
TeCNoYoTTa	welcome
ngg	HI Mr. God
timur_kz	Oh my god
TeCNoYoTTa	:D
abhinavkulkarni	Hello!
ambuj123	Hi tomek :)
timur_kz	it is tomek
CONDOR_316	tomek: hey Tomek !!!
cjoakes22	you may start your questions in about 4 minutes. thank you
timur_kz	I can't believe my eyes
timur_kz	It's HE!!!
ptrrsn_1	algoboy: Hi.
Lugera	tomek: glad you've joined us :)
prunthaban	timur_kz: why? LOL!
sohelH	.
Igorp_ktl2	you don';t have to believe your eyes
ahm.kam_92	desert_lion: fadel 4 minuits
timur_kz	prunthaban: Ti poprohe obshaysya
ptrrsn_1	tomek: Welcome.
VladBelous	lol, you all sound like a bunch of britney fans (except that it's tomek instead)
Gando19850304	tomek: Hi, I am interested in programing, but I am not studying computer-related major. So do you have some advises on how to improve my coding skills?
muntasir_120	:D
HeypaBHoBeceH	Tomek, How does it feel ? xD
prunthaban	tomek should say "I am pumped. Let the questioning begin" :)
cjoakes22	Gando19850304: The chat will begin momentatrily. Thank you
ambuj123	Whr is tomek ?
felixj	can't wait already :P
timur_kz	tomek: Is it difficult to be the best of the best???
emotionalBlind	tomek: are you in California now?
wxGO	and how to be the best of the best?
sara.sa1	ambuj123: he's at the top
timur_kz	tomek: like me)))
albert988	sb
stjepan	wxGO: Petr has already answered that question - drink tea :P
Igorp_ktl2	but he is not the best of the best) Petr is some better)
algoboy	ptrrsn_1: hi :D
cjoakes22	admins: Welcome to the Spotlight Session with tomek!
sathya.phoenix	let tomek come in
ahm.kam_92	tomek: what is ur full name ? -- where do u live and work ?
Igorp_ktl2	and Genka Korotkevich)
R0N	tomek: WELCOME..!!
cjoakes22	admins: You may begin your questions.
amrsaqr	Jaqoup: eating and watching
cjoakes22	admins: Thank you tomek for joining us
wxGO	stjepan: oh really,I have to change my habit .lol
sathya.phoenix	tomek are u there?
moshiur	tomek: You may begin answering :D
chtomek	ahm.kam_92: TOmasz Czajka, california, google
Repentinus	Tomek, do you prefer tea or coffee?
zdravko_b	tomek: where are you now :) ?
ortschun	tomek: Hello! Thanks for joining us today!
tomek	Hi everybody, go ahead, I'm ready
cjoakes22	admins: Please remember to ask your questions in English.
wilbertliu	tomek: Hi tomek, would you mind if you give best advice for a beginner? I just want to know how to start training, specific please..:)
moshiur	tomek: What is the "Best practice method" to be a RED in one year, for a boy who is grey now ??
amrsaqr	Jaqoup: tomek ya 3am
Sarkin	tomek: How old are you?
stjepan	tomek: what do you think is the key to your success?
tomek	OK let's start with advise for beginners...
tomek	That seems like most questions
sara.sa1	tomek: how old are your? :D
abal9002	How old are you tomek?
ambuj123	How to begin reading Knuth - Art of Computer Programming ?
abal9002	:)
ahm.kam_92	tomek: where do u work ?
moshiur	tomek: What is the "Best practice method" to be a RED in one year, for a boy who is grey now ??
vexorian	ambuj123: You open the book.
tomek	I started out by reading some books
ahm.kam_92	chtomek: :) Ok
ambuj123	lol
marcadian	patient, tomek type in regular speed :D
timur_kz	tomek: which books???
pszemsza_	vexorian: :D
ahm.kam_92	chtomek: which book ?
innocentboy	tomek: could you name some of them ? :)
ahm.kam_92	chtomek: books*
prunthaban	If I am right tomek year of birth is 1981. I remember seeing it somewhere.
wilbertliu	tomek: then?
suhendry	what was your first algorithm book?
tomek	My first books would have been the Polish Olympiad write-ups
albert988	C++ primer?
algoboy	marcadian: i believe he's more fast than you :p
Lugera	tomek: Is 'Introduction to Algorithms' enough?
tomek	with floppy disks
tomek	with test cases on them
moshiur	tomek: did u read Concrete Math. ?
Gando19850304	tomek: Hi, I am interested in programing, but I am not studying computer-related major. So do you have some advises on how to improve my coding skills?
izhari	algoboy: :))
marcadian	algoboy: i hate you..
tomek	A list of good books then:
felixj	patient all, let tomek finish his answers
timur_kz	tomek: why did U choose C language???
tomek	"Programming Pearls" is a very nice book
ahm.kam_92	MohamedMonem: talk in english
tomek	it doesn't really teach you programming, but it will show you how good programmers think
abs_abs	tomek: can you tell us about your current work profile ?
tomek	and will get you interested
Sarkin	tomek: Introduction to Algorithms is a very hard to read book as Kolstad said.
moshiur	tomek: Please name some Math. Books....
vexorian	tomek: what was your proudest moment?
tomek	Sarkin: yes
ambuj123	would u recommend reading Knuth to some 1 in cllg who hs jst startd programming ?
ngg	tomek: at acm icpc, we were there at cerc2008 in poland, it was really nice, but what was ur team's method? everyone programming or only one? etc
tomek	Sarkin: but that's the second book :)
mbr1	tomek: have you ever had a nightmare with petr's challenges
algoboy	marcadian: just joke :p
mastersobg	tomek: what is your favourite online judge?
Sarkin	tomek: What do you mean?
Sarkin	tomek: The second edition/
algoboy	marcadian: please don't hate me :D
Sarkin	tomek: ?
tomek	"Introduction to Algorithms" is a tough to read, but I read it all
abhinavkulkarni	tomek: What did you specifically follow for graph theory?
tomek	early on
desert_lion	tomek: how old are you?
wilbertliu	tomek: How to arrange a good training for yourself so that your training will improve yours? Could you tell me?
algoboy	marcadian: I'm very sorry mr. marcadian
crackerwang	tomek: what will you do that when you meet a very hard problem
tomek	desert_lion: I'm 27
R0N	tomek: what is the way to improve probability skills. I mean books ?
zdravko_b	tomek: do you have girlfriend :) ?
TaeYoung	27 is american age?
marcadian	algoboy: don't mean it :D i'm not serious
tomek	abhinavkulkarni: "Introduction to Algorithms" is a perfect reference
ahm.kam_92	tomek: why u don't participate in SRMs ... ?
R0N	Sarkin: send me.. :D
marcadian	zdravko_b: very interesting question :D
HeypaBHoBeceH	tomek: How long have you been a coder (from the very start, before TC)
tomek	abhinavkulkarni: I think everybody will tell you that...
moshiur	tomek: some Math Books please
zdravko_b	marcadian: at least it's different :P
tomek	and then there is "The Art of Programming", an old classic
tomek	if you're really tough :)
moshiur	tomek: Concrete Math is interesting but Hard to read... :(
rajeshsr	tomek: How much u read that voluminous book?!
tomek	it's all in assembly though, you need to be tough
wilbertliu	tomek: Sorry for repeating questions but i wanna know how to arrange a good training for yourself so that your training will improve yours? Could you tell me?
vexorian	hmnn hardcore.
prunthaban	tomek: Have you finished all 3 volumes of Art of computer programming (of course, I should ask all 4 volumes now)
monn	tomek: do you love your job at google?
tomek	Concrete Math is also a fantastic book, it gets really difficult at places
TaeYoung	All Topcoder's problem can solve with "Introduction to Algorithms"?
ahm.kam_92	tomek: did u participate in IOIs ACMs ?
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: yes
tomek	prunthaban: yes, I didn't read it until recently, but I read it pretty much all, it's fun read
zdravko_b	prunthaban: the 4th volume isn't complete afaik :)
ortschun	tomek: can you tell us how to practice basic algorithms when we first learn them
TaeYoung	tomek: All Topcoder's problem can solve with "Introduction to Algorithms"?
Lugera	tomek: are you going to paricicpate in today's SRM
CONDOR_316	tomek: while reading, is it like ..read a chapter and solve problems on that or mix the topics ??
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: World champion in ACM 2006 I think
algoboy	tomek: can I have TomekAI ?
ahm.kam_92	desert_lion: did u participate in IOIs , ACMs ?
AlexErofeev	desert_lion: in 2003 =)
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: :D:D
tomek	As for data structures and algorithms reference, "Introduction to algorithms" contains all theory you'll need for a long while
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: yeees
ahm.kam_92	desert_lion: mashy
prunthaban	zdravko_b: Except Facsimile 1, rest are available for sale I think. You get 0,2,3 and 4
ahm.kam_92	desert_lion: :P
connect4	tomek: You've been through it all; programming championships, come from behind victories, grad school and jobs. My question: What's your favorite sport?
tharis	tomek: You started learning algorithms for competitions since what age?
marcadian	algoboy: you already have TimoAI :D
Sarkin	tomek: Did you participate in the IOI if yes then when and what medal?
DAle	tomek: Do you have any ideas how TC community can help topcoder to stay alive?
tomek	CONDOR_316: whatever suits you; I like just reading, but that's just me
Gando19850304	Petr: Hi, Petr. Why are you here?
Sarkin	tomek: When did you start learning algorithms.
ortschun	tomek: can you tell us how to practice basic algorithms when we first learn them
suhendry	tomek: then, what is your current favorite book? (algorithm topic of course) :-)
tomek	ortschun: right
timur_kz	tomek: How much hours a day you spend studying???
nadeem	for those interested in his IOI and ACM achievements http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/czajkat/czajka.html
TaeYoung	tomek: In study you just read a book?
tomek	ortschun: these days you have so many resources online..
desert_lion	tomek: Reading or practising???
rng_58	Will you participate in this SRM?
TaeYoung	tomek: without Coding?
tomek	ortschun: I used to do the Polish Olympiad problems I got from the books they sold, with floppy disks
rng_58	tomek: ans = min(ans,dist(x0,y0,x1+2*a,y1+2*a));
prunthaban	tomek: What do you think is the single reason for you being really strong in algorithms. When did you start learning? Just like other targets, do you also believe strong math skills is needed?
rng_58	tomek: Sorry, Will you participate in this SRM?
tomek	ortschun: these days, just start doing contests
algoboy	tomek: who is your favourite coder ?
Repentinus	tomek: What do you think of USACO training program?
tomek	you have SRMS and zillions of other contests online
ortschun	tomek: yeah youre right thanks
tomek	you do a few contests, then you'll see for yourself what you need to learn
stjepan	tomek: do you have a gf?
tomek	Repentinus: it's great
tomek	Repentinus: I did it
Lugera	tomek: What advice would you give: more easy problems or less but hard ones?
Sarkin	R0N: Accept me.
tomek	Repentinus: I learned a lot
5r5	tomek: if you don't mind tellin, where do you work? i mean the company?
desert_lion	stjepan: :D:D
desert_lion	stjepan: lol
mastersobg	tomek: what is your favourite online judge?
CONDOR_316	tomek: how did you train for AMC ICPC ?
desert_lion	5r5: google
rajeshsr	5r5: Google!
Lugera	tomek: What advice would you give: more easy problems or less but hard ones?
tomek	Lugera: easy problems (for you) teach you implementation skills
tomek	Lugera: hard problems make you think
TaeYoung	tomek: In order to be like you What is the most important thing between Study new algorithm or solving problem??
Sarkin	tomek: What helped you most in the IOI USACO or other online judje??
tomek	Lugera: whatever you feel like practicing :)
albert988	how to learn algorithms well?
5r5	rajeshsr: oh. thnx. so vrybody knows abt it
topzhang	tomek: can you recommend some books to me about algorathm
CamiloSoto	tomek: Hello, my question is im tryng to learn DP, i think its very important, a lot of coders says its the most important topic with graph theory, what do u think ?
ortschun	tomek: is it too late starting in college to become a top coder
desert_lion	tomek: reading or practising?
tomek	ortschun: many excellent people started in college
wilbertliu	tomek: So after reading some books, what should beginners do?
tomek	wilbertliu: compete
felixj	wilbertliu: practice off course
marcadian	wilbertliu: practice!!
mastersobg	tomek: what is your favourite online judge?
tomek	wilbertliu: either compete, or go get some old problems with test data and solve them
felixj	wilbertliu: what do you expect? :P
ngg	tomek: at acm icpc, we were there at cerc2008 in poland, it was really nice, but what was ur team's method? everyone programming or only one? etc
tomek	there are millions of problems online
wcfairytale	from the beginner to yellow,how long will it be?
tomek	mastersobg: I like spoj.pl
TheLoser	tharis: thanks, boa sorte tb :P nem sei como isto trabalha d':
5r5	rajeshsr: r u a btech stud?
desert_lion	tomek: why spoj.pl?
TaeYoung	tomek: In order to be like you, What is the most important between Study new algorithm,structure or solving problem??
Sarkin	tomek: What helped you most in the IOI USACO or other online judje??
wcfairytale	from the beginner to yellow,how long will it be?
tomek	ngg: team strategy is a tough one
wcfairytale	from the beginner to yellow,how long will it be?
themaster	tomek: when you started programming what did you do when you can't solve a problem(if it happens) do you keep trying or ask
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: heeeeeeeeeee
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: tomek 2al SPOJ
desert_lion	ahm.kam_92: :D:D:D
vpj	sanky29288:hi
tomek	ngg: you have to figure it out, explicitly talk about it
mbr1	are you a graduated on Math or CS?
algoboy	tomek: can I have TomekAI ?
DAle	tomek: Do you have any ideas how TC community can help topcoder to stay alive?
Repentinus	tomek: What do you think of esoteric languages like brainfuck and whitespace?
tomek	ngg: but generally, you want to parallelize rather than work on the same thing
felixj	tomek: when you face a new problem that you can't solve for a few days, what will you do after that?
nadeem	tomek: Yarin was saying that C++ is an ugly language because it doesn't have features like intellisense (of C#) . what do u think
tomek	algoboy: it's not as good as it sounds :)
tomek	algoboy: I'll think about open-sourcing it, only now it's hardcoded to work with my library
ngg	tomek: we had 2 members thinking generally, and me programming, it was pretty good, we was the best hungarian team, but there were 10 polish teams better than us
TaeYoung	tomek: what is more important between studying new algorithm or solving problem?
felixj	tomek: when you face a new problem that you can't solve for a few days, what will you do after that?
tomek	felixj: I'd keep thinking about it, usually, unless I suspect it's unsolvable
algoboy	tomek: i hope it's coming soon :)
timur_kz	tomek: How are you???
CONDOR_316	tomek: what makes u so fast at solving problems ?? knowledge of algos or practice ??
Sarkin	tomek: In SRMs do you use any plugins?
tomek	nadeem: C++ really is a very ugly language
Lugera	tomek: problems in what area do you like the most
tomek	nadeem: I don't recommend using it
nadeem	tomek: then why do you use it?
Sarkin	tomek: Why do you think it's ugly?
tharis	tomek: what's your fav programming language?
Sarkin	tomek: What language do you recommend?
ahm.kam_92	desert_lion: :D
CamiloSoto	tomek: Hello, my question is im tryng to learn DP, i think its very important, a lot of coders says its the most important topic with graph theory, what do u think ?
tomek	Sarkin: it has syntax and semantics that very few people fully understand
raaz	tomek: what language do you suggest to code in topcoder?
Mata	what lenguage do you recomend for contest?
Lugera	tomek: problems in what area do you like the most
ortschun	tomek: should div2 competitors practice the problems of div1 or div2?
TaeYoung	you are understand all of C++ language?
Repentinus	tomek: What's wrong with C++ in your opinion?
tomek	Sarkin: and it's just "wrong", e.g. with textual #include to link with other library
wilbertliu	tomek: Sometimes i found that some problems were too hard and made me frustated, how to overcome this situation?
tomek	Sarkin: it's because of C, which was designed for very old computers
Sarkin	tomek: Yeah maybe.
Sarkin	tomek: But still what language do you recommend?
Sarkin	tomek: C#?
vexorian	bleh.
R0N	tomek: so, what would u like to choose language except C++ ??
Sarkin	tomek: or Java?
zdravko_b	tomek: what language do you work with at google?
CONDOR_316	tomek: java?
tomek	I use C++ for detailed control
timur_kz	tomek: Which language is the best???
wcfairytale	tomek: how long do you think it take for a green beginner to get into yellow? :)
mbr1	tomek: which languages do you know besides C++?
tomek	but I wouldn't mind switching to Java
tharis	tomek: what do u think about Python, though it is not allowed for competitions?
felixj	tomek: what do you mean by detail control?
ortschun	tomek: which division's problems should div2 competitors practice??div1 or div2?
tomek	I would recommend Java or C# for most people
Lugera	tomek: problems in what area do you like the most
nicolodavis	tomek: What IDE/editor do you use?
Sarkin	tomek: Okay I'll swtich to C# you're responsible for that. :D :D :D :D
tomek	felixj: e.g. you can control memory usage, data structure layout
NotImplemented	what science problems you are currently working at?
tomek	felixj: I like it, but automatic memory management is OK 99% of the time
BryanPG	What do you think about Erlang?
tomek	nicolodavis: I use VIM
wcfairytale	tomek: how long do you think it'll take for a green beginner to get into yellow? :)
nicolodavis	tomek: cool :)
felixj	tomek: oohh i see..
felixj	tomek: thank you
tomek	nicolodavis: I tried using Eclipse for C++, but switched back, it just doesn't add enough value for me
nicolodavis	tomek: Debugging?
antid	what do you think about Korotcevich?
ngg	gdb's the best :P
Repentinus	+1
stjepan	antid: tourist?
ortschun	tomek: which division's problems should div2 competitors practice??div1 or div2?
antid	yeah
tomek	nicolodavis: I don't debug, too slow; other than a "print value" here and there
desert_lion	antid: tourist??
wilbertliu	tomek: Hmm.., which one do you prefer, read book first, or facing problems while i read some books?
nicolodavis	tomek: ok
b0h	Petr is here waching tomek º_º
DAle	tomek: I'll try once again, I understand that this not a question for spotlight, but do you have any ideas how TC community can help topcoder to stay alive?
vexorian	b0h: We care.
zdravko_b	b0h: :D
TaeYoung	without debug... wow;;
antid	desert_lion: yes
desert_lion	antid: why this question? :D
tomek	nicolodavis: but I started out with Turbo Pascal, which is a good IDE
tomek	nicolodavis: (used to be)
Sarkin	tomek: :|
nicolodavis	tomek: Do you have your vimrc on the net somewhere?
tomek	nicolodavis: my vimrc is almost empty
nicolodavis	tomek: haha ok
R0N	tomek: Will u participate today's SRM ?
tomek	DAle: what do you mean?
ortschun	tomek: which division's problems should div2 competitors practice??div1 or div2?
sathya.phoenix	tomek: lol.. i thought ur vimrc would be really complex :)
Lugera	tomek: at what age did you first have some interest in programming/algorithms
Sarkin	vexorian: :D
amrsaqr	tomek: will u enter today's srm ?
Sarkin	vexorian: Then I won't.
Repentinus	tomek: Tea or coffee?
tomek	Lugera: I started programming on ZX Spectrum when I was about 12
Sarkin	vexorian: I think C++ is the best!
Sarkin	vexorian: :D
Sarkin	vexorian: But I'll think about that.
tomek	Lugera: I didn't start learning algorithms until I was 15
Sarkin	tomek: What's ZX Spectrum?
bobi4597	:)
xbit	tomek: what OS you use?
tomek	Repentinus: tea, coffee makes my head hurt
tomek	xbit: I use Ubuntu Linux right now
Sarkin	tomek: What's ZX Spectrum?
mbr1	tomek: just like Petr :)
pooja.iiita	Which one is the best os??
stjepan	I bet everyone will start using ubuntu now :)
CONDOR_316	tomek: u work at google ?
TaeYoung	Sarkin:8-bit computer
ortschun	tomek: which division's problems should div2 competitors practice??div1 or div2?
xibic	what u truly believe about life
chtomek	CONDOR_316: i will start using ZX spectrum
tomek	ortschun: div 1
antid	stjepan: i'm already using ubuntu)
Lint	tomek: Do you plan your solutions on paper first or just start coding?
chtomek	stjepan: i will start using ZX spectrum
TaeYoung	tomek: div2 problem is bad?
marcadian	stjepan: and VIM LOL
DAle	tomek: "We have cut back projects, cut some senior level expense, are scrutinizing every expense from travel to technology purchases and so on and, obviously, have reduced member prize amounts and have halted some projects that were contracted out to memb
tomek	ortschun: I would recommend practicing also outside topcoder problems, to get more variety
DAle	tomek: (c) jhughes
mbr1	tomek: Is it true that you programmed video games when you were younger?
Sarkin	tomek: Why you think starting to code first helps less than planing it out on a paper?
Sarkin	tomek: What did you use in the IOI?
Sarkin	tomek: Which method?
stjepan	mbr1: he said so in the interview
pt1989	Sarkin: his fingers know what to type ;)
shankar556288	tomek: sir but in div 1 am unabe to solve even the 250
CamiloSoto	tomek: do u work in any research proyect in this moment?
tomek	TaeYoung: it's good, but for many people div2 is just a matter of time, while every Div1 problem will teach you something new
algoboy	tomek: do you have a plan to travelling in Asia maybe Indonesia ? :)
afonseca	tomek: hi
tomek	shankar556288: yes you are able to solve the 250, just not in 1.5 hours
antid	timur_kz: nerelisin?
ortschun	yenizelanda: evet bende ilk kez gordum ama baya varmis galiba baksana =)
tomek	algoboy: I have been to Asia, but not Indonesia
marcadian	algoboy: you will provide accomodation and being tour guide LOL
timur_kz	antid: KAZAKHSTAN
DAle	tomek: financial crisis.. you know
tomek	DAle: I really don't know
shankar556288	tomek: so you suggets to keep trying till we get it rite!!!
tomek	DAle: how we should be helping TopCoder
algoboy	marcadian: I will tell ceemot to do that :P
timur_kz	timur_kz: and U?
tomek	shankar556288: keep thinking first until you're sure how the solution should work
timur_kz	antid: and U?
shankar556288	tomek: is it good practice to see others code for hints???
tomek	shankar556288: and then you don't have to keep trying, you just implement it from start to finish
felixj	algoboy: ceemot is just too busy :P
tomek	shankar556288: definitely
tomek	shankar556288: I do that all the time
shankar556288	tomek: oh thanks...
Sarkin	tomek: Did you practise a lot before your first SRM in TC?
rem	tomek: Which programming contest format do you like more: TopCoder or ACM ICPC?
CONDOR_316	tomek: how long should we spend on a problem we are not able to solve...we might me missing some algo...??
Lugera	tomek: what's the most difficult area of algorithms according to you?
tomek	Sarkin: yes; I did a lot of competitions before I even learned about TC
Sarkin	tomek: Becuase in your first SRM you were yellow.
TaeYoung	tomek: in past, you are studing algorithm very tough?
themaster	tomek: which do you think is the hardest algorithm to master
vexorian	tomek: What would you recommend to intermediate people?
pt1989	tomek: which online judges do u like. i've seen u on SPOJ and u've done some really difficult problems
algoboy	felixj: I believe she will like tomek :P
abhinavkulkarni	tomek: Any good book specifically on data structres you may recommend?
mbr1	Sarkin: he was acm icpc champion
tomek	pt1989: SPOJ is a nice site, because it allows you so many languages
algoboy	felixj: uups, is shu was here ?
DAle	tomek: Did you like the rap song about you? :)
felixj	algoboy: wow? what happen between shu and ceemot recently? :P
Sarkin	DAle: Which one??
Sarkin	DAle: :D
tomek	DAle: heh, yeah it's funny
izhari	algoboy: =)) ada skandal..
pt1989	tomek: u do haskell too right?
antid	tomek: how are you practising for tc contests?
ngg	DAle: what rap song? pls send a link :P
xbit	DAle: what rap song?
algoboy	felixj: sstt
felixj	algoboy: any scandal? :P
tomek	pt1989: I enjoy programming in Haskell, yes
Repentinus	tomek: What do you think of problems you can only solve in an esoteric language?
pt1989	tomek: ok cool
felixj	algoboy: oohh.. roger that... i'll keep my mouth shut :P
algoboy	felixj: nothing :p
TaeYoung	tomek: what is your favorite music genre?
vexorian	tomek: Would you one day do screencasts :)
tomek	Repentinus: fun puzzles
pt1989	tomek: do u like open-source ideology?
pt1989	tomek: it is very relevant to computer science if not development
shankar556288	DAle: where can you find it???
R0N	tomek: From where i can see approaches to solve SPOJ problems ? if i need
vexorian	pt1989: Oh really?
shankar556288	DAle: i mean the rap song about tomek
tomek	vexorian: screencasts, yeah I saw Petr was doing that, it's great
chtomek	tomek: is someone out there to whom you go to ask for advice in case of very defficult problem you've got to solve and you cannot (and you dont want to spend days on figuring it out)
tomek	vexorian: I might do one if I have the time to set it up
felixj	wow, AC Rush is here
pt1989	vexorian: speed is blinding here
pt1989	vexorian: cant relate what that is meant to
vexorian	tomek: I'd like to see one from a C++ guy that uses vim and debugs by printing :)
tomek	chtomek: I think "Educational discussion" is where many people go and get answers to tough questions
WindyLancelot	tomek: what is the most useful graph algorithm to know for TC?
pt1989	vexorian: get a time machine
innocentboy	vexorian: me too :)
nicolodavis	tomek: Every thought about posting screencasts?
tomek	vexorian: I usually don't debug by printing, but by code inspection :P
amrsaqr	tomek: Will u join today's SRM :D ?
nicolodavis	tomek: Ever*
vexorian	tomek: Not even printing?
tomek	amrsaqr: no, not today
CONDOR_316	tomek: could you PLEASE upload a video if you solving a SRM , like Petr ?
felixj	tomek: what do you mean by code inspection? do the printf?
CONDOR_316	tomek: of*
tomek	felixj: read every line of code to make sure it's correct
vexorian	tomek says debugging is for wusses, real pros don't make mistakes.
Sarkin	CONDOR_316: When did Petr do that can you send a link?
tomek	felixj: it's perfect to quickly debug short code if you don't have time for unit tests
RockFire	tomek,do you think code inspection is the best habit in debugging?
Garbage	vexorian: lol
CONDOR_316	tomek: sure :) hang on :)
meyram	hello i
themaster	tomek: what algorithm do you think is the most hard to master
chtomek	tomek: i was thinking about kind of authority person, that good that you think he/she might come up with solution faster (maybe former university prof.)
ngg	CONDOR_316: where is the screencast of petr?
crackerwang	CONDOR_316: wheere is video?
afonseca	ngg: in this blog
antid	ngg: in his blog
afonseca	ngg: upz
moshiur	tomek: in SRMs, which problem do u start with? 250 or any other ?
afonseca	ngg: in his blog
meyram	hello Igorp_ktl2
nadeem	for petr's screencast : google "petr
tomek	themaster: you mean to implement? there are some really complex algorithms - e.g. maximum matching in arbitrary graphs, graph planarity testing...
shankar556288	tomek: do you use any editors in SRM's???
nadeem	's blog : algorithm for dummies"
afonseca	ngg: double click on Petr's quote
felixj	tomek: what is your strategy when solving SRM's problems?
Igorp_ktl2	meyram: hello
vexorian	tomek: That's actually a great idea, practice inspection, thanks.
tomek	shankar556288: yes
WBocong	tomek: Which complier do you use?
felixj	tomek: do the 250 first or 500+ first?
Repentinus	tomek: What do you think of programmer evolution jokes? Do you think that a beginner should write code which is as simple as possible or shoulde he/she write a code that he finds more comfort to write?
tomek	WBocong: gcc
RockFire	code inspection may be the best?
tomek	felixj: that's part of your strategy, you have to figure out which gives you better chances to place high
_sunny	tomek: You didnot write any problems for TC ever, why?
meyram	Igorp_ktl2: Where a u from?
Sarkin	Petr: Are you participating today?
shankar556288	tomek: wats the best method for challenging in SRM's?
tomek	_sunny: I would love to, I think I am not allowed to, because TC pays for them, and I am on a visa that disallows that
pt1989	tomek: why arent u giving today's SRM?
meyram	Fereshte.: Who are you?
DAle	tomek: Do you know that joke about "IT party" with you on photo was famous at least at russian speaking countries? :)
ardiankp	tomek: you can always reject the payment :)
samshu	tomek: do you have a liking to a particular language/technology?
afonseca	hehe
CONDOR_316	tomek: http://narod.ru/disk/2954156000/srm420.avi.html
CamiloSoto	tomek: lot of coders says DP its the most important topic with graph theory, what do u think ?
Sarkin	CONDOR_316: Thanks.
moshiur	tomek: any advice on DP ??
tomek	CamiloSoto: DP is an important topic
tomek	CamiloSoto: to learn
CONDOR_316	tomek: its in Russian ..just have to enter the number and click on the green button :)
CONDOR_316	tomek: no problem :)
tomek	CamiloSoto: I think at first you learn it by example, it's just a general approach to solving problems, not a specific algorithm you should learn
chtomek	tomek: do you do blind challanges sometimes?
TeCNoYoTTa	tomek: practicing & reading ... how can i mange the percentage of each to be better
ortschun	tomek: on tco08 semifinal, you tried to solve 1k first but it failed, then on final you went on with same strategy. Why?
samshu	tomek: do you have a liking towards a language/techmology?
tomek	chtomek: mostly not blind, but many times I know about some edge case that people are likely to get wrong, and search for that quickly
samshu	tomek: do you prefer working in a particular technology than something else??
CONDOR_316	tomek: could you please upload your video ??
CamiloSoto	tomek: how do u learn practice or books, i mean i read some operations reasearch boooks, this its same topic or different?
chtomek	tomek: good advice ... thanks
tomek	ortschun: ha, there was some thinking / probability calculation behind that strategy :)
_sunny	tomek: That means you are not allowed to recieve the payments? So the TCO payments?
moshiur	tomek: how long do u try a single problem, outside contests ??
timur_kz	tomek: When did you start studying programming?
tomek	ortschun: but basically, I was going for a win, and I thought that was the best chance to win
vexorian	tomek: Did you contribute problems to the gcj ?
Duc	tomek: when did you improve in algorithms most rapidly, in high school, university or after that?
samshu	vexorian: atleast he has not authored any in TC
tomek	vexorian: I didn't come up with any of the problem's initial ideas
OlexiyO	desert_lion: I think the rules aren't published yet
tomek	vexorian: but I worked on GCJ for many months, and on the problems as well
vexorian	tomek: Testing/system ?
felixj	tomek: if you're going to implement an algorithm that you've never code, what will you do? google for some examples? or how?
Lugera	tomek: do you use 'hot codes' for SRMs
Repentinus	tomek: What do you think of programmer evolution jokes? Do you think that a beginner should write code which is as simple as possible or shoulde he/she write a code that he finds is more comfortable to write?
tomek	Duc: I think for programming competitions, I mostly practiced in high school for IOI and university for ACM ICPC
MohammadReza	tomek: your feature about style of programming contest was great
zdravko_b	tomek: why don't you take part in today's srm?
tomek	Repentinus: I don't know what jokes
tomek	Repentinus: but both
tomek	Repentinus: at the same time
rajeshsr	tomek: U have a blog like Petr?
ortschun	tomek: and Petr's challenge in last second.. have you felt like you're not gonna make it ?
tomek	rajeshsr: no, I do not have a blog
janux	tomek: What is the best path to be taken to learn dynamic programming?
Duc	tomek: how better are you in algorithms now than the time in high school? 2x, 3x or more :p
Lugera	tomek: do you use 'hot codes' for SRMs
felixj	tomek: if you're going to implement an algorithm that you've never code, what will you do? google for some examples? or how?
tomek	ortschun: that was a desperate shot...
CamiloSoto	tomek: operations reasearch books about DP, its good way to learn DP like lieberman or tahha ?
MohammadReza	tomek: "your feature article about style of programming contest was great" do you want to add some more advice?
tomek	Duc: I have learned a lot of theory in the meantime, and I have a lot more experience ...
muntasir_120	tomek: so, you were involved in setting up the GCJ's contest system?
RockFire	tomek,why do you prefer code inspection?
moshiur	tomek: your favourite programmer ? :P
TeCNoYoTTa	tomek: practicing on TopCoder or Reading books ... how can person manage these ?
tomek	felixj: understand how it works
zdravko_b	tomek: do you think there will be gcj 2009?
WindyLancelot	tomek: What graph algorithm have you found most useful in TC? If you have to choose one.
tomek	muntasir_120: yes
Lugera	tomek: do you use 'hot codes' for SRMs
vexorian	good news everyone.
samshu	tomek: by the way..do you go along well with Petr
tomek	zdravko_b: I don't think that's decided yet
rajeshsr	tomek: Before spoj,how u used to practice? When u are at high school preparing for IOI, I don't think spoj existed, right?
samshu	vexorian: what??
vexorian	samshu: tomek thinks there will be a gcj.
Duc	tomek: you said you usually debug by code inspections. do you mean you only do this when you cannot find incorrect test case?
progfool	hii evryone
tomek	rajeshsr: right, it didn't exist, and I didn't have access to internet at home for a while; I would get all the past problems from previous polish olympiads and IOIs
zdravko_b	vexorian: he said it's not decided
progfool	hiii tomek
tomek	rajeshsr: and write solutions for them
samshu	vexorian: oh..i'd rather prefer more SRM's
vexorian	zdravko_b: I said good news everyone before that.
khanhptnk	tomek: will you take rank 2 from acrush after this match :))
zdravko_b	vexorian: you still mean it :) ?
tomek	khanhptnk: if ACRush competes and falls, then maybe; I'm going to have to go to work
innocentboy	tomek: are you competing today ? :)
rajeshsr	tomek: Great, what will u do, if u don't see the solution?
Duc	tomek: sometimes i cannot get accepted for a problem although i read every line of code and see nothinig wrong. I cannot find any incorrect test case also. then what to do in these case : p
samshu	tomek: do you get along well with Petr?
Repentinus	tomek: Tell your boss that you'll quit if you can't participate in SRMs :D
tomek	rajeshsr: if I truly can't see a solution, I would let it go for a while; but it's rare, I'm persistent :)
tomek	samshu: of course, Petr is a nice guy
progfool	tomek, did u ever have concerns with the maths during programming?
pt1989	progfool: i really really doubt that
tomek	Duc: read again :P
pt1989	progfool: tomek is the concern
pt1989	progfool: he doesnt have concerns :P
moshiur	tomek didn't register for today's match yet... :(
progfool	ohh yaa.....:))
progfool	what do i do if i want to improve the maths......actually computational maths
samshu	tomek: do you think rankings/ratings say all about coding skills?
WBocong	tomek: Thanks for your advices!
khanhptnk	tomek: do you have any methods to improve the accuracy of programming ?
mbr1	tomek: how far can someone go in algorithm competitions if he's not a genius at math?
daiwb	tomek: Any suggestion on the books to read to improve algorithm and math? :)
progfool	tomek: what do i do if i want to improve my maths
moshiur	tomek: how to improve in math for programming ?
tomek	progfool: then study maths; read Concrete Mathematics
progfool	tomek: thank you.......
moshiur	tomek: is Concrete Math enough ??
Duc	suhendry: yes, how abt you
pt1989	tomek: does coming from a university with a poor coding culture gives u no chance of competiting with the better ones?
tomek	khanhptnk: write pretty, well structured code; don't rush it
mohan8990	tomek: I m just a beginner. How to enhance my coding ability. Also suggest me a book for c++ and Data Structures pls
tomek	khanhptnk: then it's more likely to be correct and easier to fix any bugs
progfool	tomek: i heard that ull rarely need to debug ur codes....u can run it the first time u code...is it true??
moshiur	tomek: do u think Concrete Math is enough for maths ?
tomek	pt1989: you university doesn't matter, we are living in a global society
Aleks	tomek: is Daniel Czajka your brother? =)
samshu	tomek: how much has TC helped you at work?
tomek	progfool: yes, it's true :P
pt1989	tomek: yes but i spend so much of my time in useless activities
tomek	Aleks: no
adrianoo07	tomek: have you got girlfriend?
cjoakes22	Thank you tomek and everyone else for joining this chat. There are 5 more minutes left. Please ask your last questions at this time.
pt1989	tomek: i think people in better universities do better things
wilbertliu	tomek: do you have a daily training?
moshiur	tomek: do u think Concrete Math is enough for maths ?
khanhptnk	tomek: are you an easygoing person ? :))
tomek	wilbertliu: I don't do much training per se these days
progfool	tomek: how do i practice so that i can even code like that
progfool	tomek: is there any wel defined approach?
tomek	wilbertliu: I used to, when I had a lot of free time, to practice for the ACM contest a lot
khanhptnk	tomek: have you ever felt frustrated on your ability ?
vivekmrathod	concrete math is a about recursions, number theory and also had some nice algos
okidogi	tomek: what do you mean by a lot?
khanhptnk	tomek: i mean when you can't solve a problem, what do you think ?
rajeshsr	tomek: why u don't compete much in SRMs these days.
sushil2006090	ny1 from IIIT A
rajeshsr	tomek: ?
progfool	and Petr is also listening i guess........please can u answer one question?...
tomek	okidogi: 2-3 times a week, I would sit down for 4 hours and write code
FameofLight	litwin: only english
tomek	okidogi: anyway, I do that even more at work these days :)
tomek	okidogi: just different kind of code
felixj	tomek: just 4 hours?
amrsaqr	tomek: being a good problem solver, is it a gift, or something that develops by practicing and reading ??
progfool	Petr: Do you do work with C# in google???
pll	tomek: Do you think a graduate student is too late to learn Algorithm like students in highschool or universities?
ngg	tomek: if u look at acm standings (http://cepc08.ii.uni.wroc.pl/standings.html) why do u think that there are so many great polish teams (9 out of the top10 is polish)
pszemsza_	tomek: not sure whether someone asked about that: what do you do in google?
tomek	amrsaqr: I think it's mostly a learned skill; I used to be more of a math person, until I met people doing programming competitions at math camps
rajeshsr	tomek: U strated from Maths olympiad?
samshu	progfool: i think he is not
tomek	pszemsza_: currently I work on managing resources in datacenters
progfool	samshu: yes..perhaps:(
khanhptnk	tomek: i mean when you can't solve a problem, what do you think ?
tomek	rajeshsr: yes, I did the math olympiad
samshu	progfool: if i remember correctly what he said in his spotlight session
Duc	tomek: could you still maintain good university result when practicing for acm :p
auror	tomek: were you involved in organizing the last GCJ too?
progfool	samshu:what??
RockFire	tomek,do you have any strategy to decrease the time on debuging?
tomek	ngg: I am not sure, but we have a lot of high school people doing competitions in Poland
qinhaotian	hi guys
tomek	ngg: so it's a large, competetive groups of people
qinhaotian	lets have fun coding today :)
qinhaotian	GOOOD LUCK TO U ALL <3
tomek	auror: yes, I was
samshu	progfool: something other than c#
samshu	progfool: ;)
progfool	tomek: How were u feeling during the systest at TC) this year??
qinhaotian	How is everyone doing today sirs?
Sarkin	tomek: Thanks for the answers.
RockFire	tomek,do you have any strategy to decrease the time on debuging?
tomek	Duc: ha, that's a good one, but mostly yes
MohammadReza	Fereshte.: ha ha
Lotus	He's still here
khanhptnk	tomek: have a excellent work day ! :))
TeCNoYoTTa	amrsaqr: aha ..... okZ ya 3amot :D
progfool	tomek:.jus one question plzz....tomek.....how were u feeling during the systest at TCO this year??
khanhptnk	tomek: have an excellent work day ! :))
samsam	tomek: do you participate today?
Sarkin	samsam: NO!
DAle	tomek: do you have any local polish TC community?
progfool	tomek: is bzz perhaps!!!!!
xjtuhyh	pt1989: tomek will be here for a long time if he do not compete srm today?
samsam	Sarkin: you are not tomek.
tomek	progfool: I was quite confident, relieved that Petr didn't manage to get more than 3 challenges more than me after all :)
cjoakes22	This is the conclusion of this chat with tomek. You may discuss this Spotlight Session in the TC forums at http://forums.topcoder.com/?module=Thread&threadID=629178&start=0. Thanks again everyone!
knuthy	Good luck for you all
prunthaban	Bye tomek!
moshiur	GOOD LUCK......
shankar556288	tomek: Thank You Tomek!!!
tomek	thanks everyone, have a good match
ngg	tomek: i dunno if u were studying in the university of warsaw, but there were 3 teams in top10 from that university, do they have lots of lectures about algorithms, etc?
DAle	tomek: thank you anyway :)
progfool	tomek: i watched the match....u did an excellent challenge....the last one ....perhaps john's he got segmentation fault
CONDOR_316	tomek: Thank you for the help :)
samshu	is there a way to become colourless??
samshu	;)
progfool	tomek: that was soo thrilling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Repentinus	tomek: Thanks.
emotionalBlind	tomek: thanks a lot :)
yacek	hf & gl ;)
qinhaotian	where are u vector?
elmariachi1414	tomek: Thanks!
pszemsza_	ngg: yeah, they have
ortschun	tomek: thank you so much for answering out questions
antid	good luck
progfool	tomek: thnkz anyways tomek....it was soooooo good talking to u.....and thnks for all those help
muntasir_120	tomek: thanks
rajeshsr	tomek: Thanks! Wish u compete a lot in more SRMs and give us ur great codes!
tomek	ngg: just a lot of people at Warsaw do competitions
wilbertliu	tomek: Thanks tomek.. :)
progfool	tomek: good luck at work...
ortschun	tomek: thank you so much for answering our questions
Lugera	tomek: thanks!!!
wilbertliu	tomek: If you are a coach, what will you do to improve beginner?
amrsaqr	tomek: thanx tomek, good luck :)
ngg	tomek: thx anyway
tomek	wilbertliu: try solving a bunch of problems, then you'll see what you need to learn for yourself
tomek	wilbertliu: just need to realize what you don't know
wilbertliu	tomek: Oh.., okay.., thanks anyway.. :)