athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: does AOL has opportuinities in the UK for graduate students? |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: the weather is very nice in my place (Nottingham) |
anand_nalya | AOL_Greg: hi, i believe u r the AOL representative here |
Minny | and what about the US of A |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: I would hope so |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: as you said, just in the mood for chatting, no coding yet |
AOL_Duke | good evening Mr. Greg |
AOL_Greg | Minny: We have job openings all over the world |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: how's about ones in Dublin? are they permanent opportunities? |
Minny | AOL_Greg: Thank you, that's great, greg |
lidaobing | AOL_Greg: for example, I am a Chinese, and I lived in mainland China, Can I join AOL? |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: Definitely Dublin opportunities |
Minny | AOL_Duke: good evening, Duke |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: I am here at the conference with a Tech Manager from the Dublin office |
Minny | AOL_Duke: are you in Bangalore? |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: I'm going to graduate this June, should I apply now? |
AOL_Duke | No. I am in Dulles, Virginia |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: Excellent question, to me there is never a bad time to apply, but I am not from the Human Resources group |
Minny | AOL_Duke: so why would you say good evening :) |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: I'm very interested in Search Applications (Search 7.0) |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: Interesting the manager I am here with is all about SEO |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: very nice! :) |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: can I know what's the set of skills should I possess to apply for it? |
lidaobing | AOL_Greg: for example, I am a Chinese, and I lived in mainland China, Can I join AOL? |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: for SEO? hmmm...probably the basics like SQL/db, LINUX, c++, js |
kclune | Hi everyone. |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: what does SEO stand for? |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: search engine optimization |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: :) |
AOL_Greg | lidaobing: Depends I believe on citizenship...I am not from Human Resources, so I am not sure exactly what the rules are regarding citzenship |
lidaobing | AOL_Greg: thanks |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: does it require advanced algorithm skill? |
AOL_Greg | lidaobing: sorry. |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: what are the advantages of applicants? |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: It obviously helps |
chamiya | Hello everyone. :-) |
AOL_Duke | Hello |
AOL_Greg | athenachu71: not sure I follow...we look for the best of the best as always |
raviupreti85 | AOL_Duke: hello |
Malkava | what's web 3.0 ? |
zephyr19 | hello |
chamiya | AOL_Duke: Any internship opportunities at AOL for overseas college students? |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: Must I have working permit to work in Dublin? |
kino | Malkava: sounds like a marketing buzzword |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: I'm Vietnam citizen |
AOL_Greg | Hi everyone, my name is Greg Cypes, I am one of the lead engineers on AIM. I have worked on AIM for almost 8 years. Today I am going to try and share my thoughts on what's next for social engineering |
AOL_Greg | If you have questions please go ahead and ask them |
zephyr19 | What is the scope of social engineering.. I mean what way do you define it? |
Malkava | AOL_Greg: what do you mean by "Web 3.0" ? |
AOL_Greg | if I can't get to all of them you can ask them via my blog http://journals.aol.com/gregsblog/aimInfo |
AOL_Greg | So Web 3.0 |
rohitgupta14 | Do u recruit freshers in India |
AOL_Greg | basically web 3.0 is going to be taking web content that requires an always on connection and moving it to be accessible offline |
AOL_Greg | for example |
kino | Does AOL still call themselves "America on-line" I mean we live in an internationalized web world now |
AOL_Duke | Look at our sponsor site that will have job opportunity links that we will be updating throughout the TCO sponsorship |
AOL_Greg | if you use Flickr and want to make changes to pictures you took |
AOL_Greg | you have to do that online |
kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
AOL_Greg | what happens when we move that content offline, and sync later when your connection is back. |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: do you mean it's kind of reverse direction of basic Server-Client architecture? |
Malkava | AOL_Greg: I see.. and does Web 3.0 has any implicity technology to be built, like AJAX for Web 2.0 ? |
AOL_Greg | Firefox 3.0 will be the first browser that really can bridge this gap |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: there, clients no longer request data |
AOL_Greg | I think you might seeing some AJAX-y like code running client side while offline |
AOL_Duke | kino: AOL is no longer America On Line |
AOL_Greg | Basically. I can download a DOM some CSS etc, and can do my work offline |
AOL_Greg | then queue my syncs later on |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: instead of, servers suggest data that clients are interested in |
Malkava | AOL_Greg: Yeah sure |
Malkava | AOL_Greg: thanks |
AOL_Greg | How this has implication in the social world is huge |
AOL_Greg | imagine doing updates to your Facebook page offline while flying on a plane |
rmat | AOL_Greg: wouldn't you expect situations in which people are offline to get rarer as time goes by? |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: yes, I agree that the role of browsers in this scenario is very important |
AOL_Greg | or being able to send IMs while offline, basically little notes as reminders later that get pushed to the network when the connection comes back is huge |
kclune | AOL_Greg: Where is this development being done? |
Shaoye | AOL_Greg: Than? Sync it when you get off the plane? |
AOL_Greg | In the US, or for that matter in the UK, where I am right now, we will have tons of open space that will not be covered by wimax |
AOL_Greg | yes sync after you get off the plane |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: who (here) should I contact to if I want to apply to AOL Dublin? |
erty | AOL_Greg: Will Microsoft support this technology? |
Shaoye | AOL_Greg: It sound like offline web dev. Is there any difference? |
kclune | athenachu71: H Harry. |
kclune | athenachu71: me |
AOL_Greg | For example I am paying 40USD a day for internet here in the UK...that is harsh, personally I do not want to spend any more $$ on internet |
AOL_Carl | Anyone interested in opportunities should go to the Topcoder website and apply |
kclune | athenachu71: but more importantly, everyone should apply here: |
AOL_Greg | Ah, Microsoft will have to adapt |
kclune | athenachu71: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aolConfirm |
AOL_Carl | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
erty | AOL_Greg: I hope so :) |
AOL_Greg | Well I think offline web development is well under way...of course it is not done in HTML |
AOL_Greg | think the Flickr Uploader |
rmat | AOL_Greg: so will websites have to be Web3.0 enabled or is this something the browser will implement totally? (like some sort of web based 'expect'?? |
AOL_Greg | but the idea that we have lastFm running in the background keeping track of my music I am listening to, then uploading my playlist to the web once my connection returns is very compelling IMO |
AOL_Greg | I should caveat everything I am saying as this is not the official Web 3.0 stance |
AOL_Greg | but, I believe it will be an option to each website |
AOL_Greg | for example |
AOL_Greg | Google Finance may implement portfolio editing offline |
AOL_Greg | while Yahoo chooses not to allow that |
Shaoye | AOL_Greg: sound like you are part of the web |
AOL_Carl | Hello - anyone interested in hearing more about our opportunities should go to http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
AOL_Greg | Well thank you Shaoye but I think mine is only an opinion...of course this is also a vision I have of where we can take the web and make it easier to use, consume and participate at all times |
AOL_Carl | We look for fresh ideas at all levels of experience. Existing skills are not mandatory for all of AOL's positions (they are for some of the higher-level ones for obvious reasons) but passion and ability to think and learn are most important. |
AOL_Greg | One thing I see happening is the move to disagregation among social networking sites |
royappa | AOL_Greg: this is interesting, but to play devil's advocate for a moment, isn't the future moving towards an "always on, everywhere accesible, massive bandwidth hypernet" of some sort? |
AOL_Greg | for example, MySpace and Facebook, or AIM Pages or Orkut are the catch all for social interaction |
AOL_Greg | I think there will be more specialized web sites that break out and become your network |
sql_lall | royappa: hopefully that leads to abandoning client-server :) |
royappa | AOL_Greg: To use your example, high speed internet access is being planned for airlines... |
erty | AOL_Greg: I think future of web 3.0 will be determined by the adoption among users |
AOL_Greg | essentially to help you avoid the crunk you are not interested in, we develop a social network for people who are only interested in cats owners who are redskin fans, who also love popcorn |
alecn2002 | AOL_Greg: Is there any resource on the web where Web 3.0 is somehow defined? |
AOL_Greg | to answer the always on connection question |
AOL_Greg | I think that we will see an always on world...and even places as remote as the middle of the mohave desert will have internet |
Nedy88 | AOL_Greg: let's take an example of a forum. Someone aks a question and some people read it but then go offline. They all decide to answer and after a some time the guy with the question receive many same answers |
AOL_Greg | but the challenge of cost is the limiting factor |
Nedy88 | AOL_Greg: how will you cope with this |
AOL_Greg | how does that work now...I do a blog post and 10 people respond instantly |
AOL_Greg | I read the comments as fast as they come in |
AOL_Greg | one last comment on always on |
AOL_Greg | there are times where I want to be doing something for my web page but do not want to appear online or actve |
alecn2002 | AOL_Greg: Hehe, Mohave desert... Did you ever see the middle of Siberian tundra? :-P (me - not BTW :)) ) |
AOL_Greg | the idea of always on scares the average user due to privacy and security concerns |
AOL_Greg | if we remove our technology cap for a second |
rmat | People keep asking what Web 3.0 is. I think maybe when you've got |
rmat | an overlay of scalable vector graphics - everything rippling and folding and looking misty - on Web 2.0 and access to a semantic Web integrated across a huge space of data, you'll have access to an unbelievable data resource. |
rmat | -- TBL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web) |
AOL_Greg | how many people do you know who shut off their computer of at night? |
rmat | hmm ... that went out in three lines .. it wasn't me ... Tim Berners Lee . |
erty | AOL_Greg: i shut off :) |
AOL_Greg | but see the unbelievable data is the HUGE problem |
AOL_Greg | on AIM we allow for 1000 buddies on your buddy list |
AOL_Greg | in many ways that is TOO MANY |
AOL_Greg | to many data points leads to confusion, so it is our jobs as engineers to simplfy the data and give the average user a fighting chance to find what they are looking for...and here is the key point |
AOL_Greg | from a trustworthy source |
AOL_Greg | building in reputation into search results is important |
athenachu71 | AOL_Greg: is what you're talking about relevant to a lot of AI stuffs? |
Jedi_Knight | AOL_Greg: Is there any resource about web 3.0? |
kino | doesn't google already do that by determining how many people link to a site (which is a measure of trustworthiness in some ways) among other things |
AOL_Greg | yeah, but see we have the makings of good reputation systems now |
AOL_Greg | for example, EBay or SPAM systems |
AOL_Greg | all have Databases of who can be trusted and who can't |
AOL_Greg | Can I trust Greg on answering AIM questions? |
AOL_Carl | To find out more about AOL, please log on to :http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
AOL_Greg | Hopefully a browser can say yes |
AOL_Greg | what do you think web 3.0 is going to be |
AOL_Greg | or better yet |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: how dangerous are false positives here? |
AOL_Greg | what do you want to see out of the web in the next year? |
AOL_Greg | false positives are hard to deal with...part of me says we do a good job of it now |
AOL_Greg | EBay ratings are scammed from time to time |
AOL_Greg | but for the most part it works |
griffon | What does Web 3.0 mean? |
AOL_Greg | What do you think it means griffon? To me it means continuing to get data I care about |
AOL_Greg | and giving me a way of contributing my content either offline or online |
roypalacios | offline? |
kclune | AOL_Greg: So, Greg, You're obviously pretty excited about what AOL is doing, and everyone I've met at AOL is excited about it too, what are some reasons TC members should consider working at AOL rather than say Google, or Yahoo? |
kino | Sorry for asking but how is this supposed to get income? |
AOL_Greg | If you want to have major impact on the direction of open standards and continue to change the face of the web AOL is the place for you |
griffon | AOL_Greg: and what's the difference between 2.0 and 3.0. it seems to me I mean by 2.0 nearly the same. |
AOL_Greg | At AOL we work closely with IETF, Microformats, etc. AOL is also the king when it comes to social engineering |
AOL_Greg | and that is why I work at AOL...I write code that 4 generations of my family use |
AOL_Greg | I solve for the most technical users (you guys) and for beginners |
AOL_Greg | and on AIM we have done a good job of reaching both |
AOL_Greg | the big difference between what I think web 2.0 vs web 3.0 |
AOL_Greg | is going to be how content is aggregated, see The Hype Machine as an example |
AOL_Greg | and how users interact with the data |
AOL_Greg | and who they interact with |
AOL_Greg | if web 2.0 is about consolidating the disparate data...then I believe Web 3.0 will do the same for the social world |
kclune | if anyone likes what they hear so far, please check out other opportunities with AOL here, and apply to their open positions at the bottom of the page: |
kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aolOpps |
code_rasher | what is IETF, Microformats ?? |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: moving from O(Client * Server) connections to O(Client * Client)? :p |
AOL_Greg | think Second Life breaking itself into States, or Counties, or Cities or towns |
griffon | AOL_Greg: so web 3.0 is a commonly used term? probably there is some place, where I can read about it? |
AOL_Greg | Microformats.org |
AOL_Greg | I would look at wikipedia, or programable web |
griffon | AOL_Greg: unfortunately I don't know what The Hype Machine is |
AOL_Greg | web 3.0 is mentioned there a lot |
AOL_Greg | griffon try a google search for The Hype Machine and try it out |
tywok | kclune: What do you mean other opportunities? With other companies? |
AOL_Greg | it is an aggreagator of music content, but it does more than that |
natmaster | speaking of microformats, is AOL working with Mozilla in that regard? |
tywok | kclune: I am looking just for a summerjob, I am just in 2nd year of university |
AOL_Carl | tywok - other opportunities within AOL |
AOL_Greg | we work closely with mozilla and other folks in the standards world |
griffon | AOL_Greg: hmm< no article about web 3.0 in wikipedia |
kclune | I believe AOL is looking for interns this summer. |
AOL_Greg | AIM Pages is built using DoJo and microformats |
kclune | tywok: Please go to http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aolOpps |
AOL_Carl | We are starting our recruitment efforts for summer interns. If you want to hear more about a summer internship, please go to: |
kclune | tywok: to apply. |
AOL_Carl | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
tywok | ok, i'll do! Thanks! |
AOL_Greg | one thing to follow closely is how DRM starts creeping into the conversation on data |
AOL_Greg | there is already a microformat for copywriting YOUR material |
roypalacios | should applicants be from US? |
AOL_Greg | applying copywrites may sound anti-open web |
kclune | AOL_Carl: Carl, I know this is a little off topic, but can you tell the folks a little bit about the internship program you a have available? |
AOL_Greg | but in reality it will become more and more necessary. Copywrites will help aggregators know what content is allowed to be reproduced and what cant |
kclune | AOL_Carl: also, can you tell the folks where your offices are located? |
AOL_Greg | Google depends upon that heavily in their GIS for example |
AOL_Greg | so i asked before, but would love to know |
AOL_Greg | what do You guys want from the web...what works for you and what does not? |
AOL_Greg | there are no wrong answers here |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: not what you're looking for, but getting rid of badly designed sites would be useful |
AOL_Carl | For those interested in our summer internship program, please inquire now. |
AOL_Greg | for me, I found that searching MSDN using MSFT's Live.com is much better than Google search now |
slex | sql_lall: and agressive poping up ads |
AOL_Greg | getting rid of lame websites is a great start |
rohitgupta14 | AOL_Carl: what are the locations where internship opportunities are available |
Lint | No need to get rid of the sites, that's what filters are for. |
AOL_Carl | Our program starts around the beginning of June and lasts until the end of August. We have positions available for undergrads as well as MBA's |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: but more in your area - alerts. e.g. being able to register yourself as a listener |
AOL_Greg | Do you think advertisers are too aggresive with Flash or Video ds? |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: (like rss, but without having to poll the feed) |
AOL_Carl | We will be taking on interns in Dulles, NY,California, and Bangalore |
Lint | Greg, yes. I have disabled Flash. |
rohitgupta14 | AOL_Carl: How do we apply for internships in balgalore |
AOL_Greg | through the Open AIM SDK, both client SDK and web APIS (available on developer.aim.com) you can view how we do RSS with our users |
rohitgupta14 | AOL_Carl: and what will be the duration |
AOL_Greg | basically each user is an RSS feed |
kclune | For those of you who don't know, AOL is based in Dulles, Virginia, which is about 25 miles west of Washington DC. |
AOL_Greg | where we notify people who have that user listed as a contact, when they have uploaded pics to Flickr, or updated their profile |
AOL_Carl | Anyone interested in internship opportunities go to:http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
Majjj | AOL_Carl: how about foreign nationals |
AOL_Greg | I think the ad model for Web 2.0 is not exactly correct. I wrote on my blog about this a week or two ago...http://journals.aol.com/gregsblog/aimInfo |
AOL_Greg | to summerize it |
AOL_Greg | i said that i never see ads that appeal to me on the web |
AOL_Greg | well one reason is I use AdBlock |
alex.soares | AOL_Greg:Does AOL hire people from other countries or just americans? |
AOL_Carl | To be considered for jobs in the U.S. you must be a US citizen, or have a perm green card. |
AOL_Greg | but the other is that AOL or Yahoo or Google has never asked me what I am interested in |
AOL_Greg | and that is a shame |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: would you buy anything from a web ad? |
AOL_Greg | heck yeah, if it was something i wanted |
AOL_Greg | for example |
AOL_Carl | For those who joined us, check out all of AOL's opportunities at:http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
MyNameIsKoda | examples can be plenty of course :) |
AOL_Greg | if I was fired an alert or coupon from a local pizza joint at 1130AM to get a $1 off a slice of pizza at lunch that day only |
kclune | AOL_Carl: There is an "apply" button at the bottom of the page. |
AOL_Greg | I would totally dig that ad |
Lint | If I'm looking for something and I happen to receive an ad for it at that time, I'd buy from it. If checking my e-mail and I get the same ad, no. :) |
AOL_Greg | the idea is we never really ask what interests the user without making it feel like we will use it against them later |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: you could sign up to discount alerts from your pizza place instead ;) |
AOL_Greg | and how many people think about signing up? |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: is there a place for statistics majors in AOL? |
AOL_Greg | the reason you have ads in the first place is to implant a message in the viewers brain |
AOL_Greg | sometimes it is meant to generate an immediate response |
AOL_Carl | We look for fresh ideas at all levels of experience. Existing skills are not mandatory for all of AOL's positions (they are for some of the higher-level ones for obvious reasons) but passion and ability to think and learn are most important. |
AOL_Greg | other times it is used to implant a thought in the back of your mind later on |
AOL_Greg | the web world concentrates all of its efforts at the front of your brain so you take immediate action |
kclune | AOL_Greg: How do you handle new devlopers who have new ideas? |
AOL_Greg | yet they don't show me anything that i want to click on |
AOL_Greg | On my team, new ideas are allowed to be worked on actively |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: good |
AOL_Greg | basically engineers are allowed to used their time to experiment |
AOL_Greg | and test |
kclune | AOL_Greg: cool. |
AOL_Greg | check out my Ambient Messaging plugin for AIM |
AOL_Greg | I did that during my work time |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: where do i find it? |
ArcanaDooDleZ | saarixx: hi |
AOL_Greg | my blog http://journals.aol.com/gregsblog/aimInfo |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: thanks |
kclune | One last time, anyone interested in exploring a great new opportunity with AOL, should go here: |
kclune | http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aolOpps |
saarixx | ArcanaDooDleZ: hi |
AOL_Greg | it mashes up the context of your IM conversation with Flickr photos |
AOL_Greg | that was an idea I had, so I just built it |
ArcanaDooDleZ | saarixx: Shedal reminded me |
AOL_Greg | it took me a day or two |
supernova | AOL_Duke: cool |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: you're happy for an ad engine to know what you want? |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: not always |
AOL_Greg | and I released it via my blog...AOL just lets me do it |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: anyway thanks |
roypalacios | good luck |
AOL_Greg | Ad engines better get smarter otherwise the money that we have received in this web 2.0 boom will dry up like a desert |
AOL_Greg | Advertisers will figure out sooner or later that people do not pay attention to their ads |
roypalacios | oh, i agree that |
sql_lall | AOL_Greg: hopefully sooner |
erty | AOL_Greg: that is true |
AOL_Greg | It is our job as developers to solve that problem by building smarter ad engines and by making sure that we build best in breed tools for marketing people |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: ambient messaging looks cool on your blog |
MyNameIsKoda | AOL_Greg: will try it out soon |
AOL_Greg | thx for the props on Ambient Messaging |
AOL_Greg | Well good luck to everyone today on the competition |
AOL_Greg | If you want to check out more of what we are doing at AOL |
kclune | AOL_Greg: Thank you Greg, and everyone else from AOL. |
AOL_Duke | Greg...Thanks for joining us today |
AOL_Greg | please check out dev.aol.com |
jmpld40 | Thanks Greg, great chat |
AOL_Carl | If you are just joining us, check out our exciting opportunities at: http://www.topcoder.com/tc?module=Static&d1=tournaments&d2=tco07&d3=sponsorspatrons&d4=aol |
jmpld40 | thanks Duke, Gray and Carl as well |
AOL_Greg | or my blog http://journals.aol.com/gregsblog/aimInfo |
kclune | jmpld40: Yes, thank you all. |
athenachu71 | thank you, all from AOL and Topcoder |
MyNameIsKoda | thanks everyone from AOL |
athenachu71 | kclune: thank you, Kevin. See you soon. |
AOL_Carl | Thanks everyone for joining in. Until next time !! |
AOL_Greg | Keep building great stuff guys...AOL, and others have really empowered everyone to create some great things, and I personally am willing to help you out |
AOL_Greg | so do not hesitate to ask |